A proposed mascot
Jan 11, 2000 3:53 pm, by Ken Crater
Subject : LinuxPLC Project
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Hi all, Jennifer Powell, apart from being the moderator of the Automation List, is also a commercial artist. She has created a mascot for the LinuxPLC project which I propose we adopt as a symbol and logo: the Puffin! (a small sea bird with lots of personality) You can see her rendering at: http://linuxplc.org/images/puffin.gif Why is a puffin the perfect symbol for an open source controller? Puffins are long-lived... 1. Puffins can live for more than 30 years, if they're lucky! Puffins are fast... 2. A puffin can fly about 40 miles an hour, and will beat its wings about 300 to 400 times a minute. Puffins are reliable... 3. Puffins usually return to the same burrow and nest with the same mate year after year. Puffins are powerful... 4. Where soil conditions permit, puffins can tunnel eight feet or more underground when excavating a burrow. Puffins are successful... 5. It is estimated that there are about 6 million pairs of puffins in the world. Puffins are popular... 6. In Iceland puffins are part of a long-standing cultural connection to the sea. They are eaten in restaurants and homes. Puffins participate fully in the oceanic economy... 7. The puffin's number-one enemy is the Great Black-backed Gull, which kills and eats adult puffins and chicks when it can catch them. (puffin facts are courtesy of the Audubon Society Project Puffin http://puffin.bird.audubon.org/, used by permission) Linux has a penguin, we should have a puffin. I'd be glad to register it as a trademark in the U.S. and assign the rights to the project. What do you think? Regards, Ken Crater ken@control.com _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• Re: mascot
  Jan 18, 2000 11:27 am, by Mark Hutton
  Now we have a mascot, shouldn't we give him/her a name? Regards Mark Hutton Software Engineer Vogal Software Services Regent House, Welbeck Way, Peterborough. UK PE2 7WH Tel: +44 (0)1733 370789 Fax: +44 (0)733 370701 mark.hutton@vogal.demon.co.uk Linux has Tux, but we can't call a puffin a Putz.......... _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• Re: mascot
  Jan 18, 2000 11:33 am, by Ken Crater
  Here's one I'll throw on the table: Oscar (which expands to "Open Source Controllers Are Robust"). I know there is another project called Oscar in the open source community, however if we're not calling the project by that name it shouldn't be a conflict. Any other ideas? Ken Crater ken@control.com _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 13, 2000 2:52 pm, by Dan Pierson
  > From: David Wooden [mailto:David_Wooden@omron.com] > Subject: Re: LinuxPLC: A proposed mascot > Puffin Linux Controller (PLC) ? Well, recursive acronyms are in the finest old Open Source tradition :-) _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 13, 2000 2:49 pm, by David Wooden
  Puffin Linux Controller (PLC) ? David Wooden Omron Electronics, Inc. 1300 Basswood Road Suite 200 Schaumburg, IL 60173 (847) 884-7034 david_wooden@omron.com Jiri Baum on 01/12/2000 11:30:50 PM Please respond to linuxplc@linuxplc.org To: linuxplc@linuxplc.org cc: (bcc: David Wooden/OEI/Omron America) Subject: Re: LinuxPLC: A proposed mascot On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 10:32:52AM -0500, Peterc wrote: > I doubt that "Project Puffin" would mean much to people outside the > project. At least "LinuxPLC" tells what it's all about. Why make things > more difficult? Let's not get too "inside baseball" here. We could always call it PuffinPLC (as somebody already joined it) to get the best of both worlds. That's assuming we *want* the PLC association. I believe there are those as might prefer "Puffin Controller"; or something with a cool acronym. Jiri
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 13, 2000 9:31 am, by Curt Wuollet
  Ken Crater wrote: > Hi all, > Jennifer Powell, apart from being the moderator of the Automation List, is > also a commercial artist. She has created a mascot for the LinuxPLC project > which I propose we adopt as a symbol and logo: the Puffin! (a small sea > bird with lots of personality) > > You can see her rendering at: > http://linuxplc.org/images/puffin.gif > > Why is a puffin the perfect symbol for an open source controller? > > Puffins are long-lived... > 1. Puffins can live for more than 30 years, if they're lucky! > Puffins are fast... > 2. A puffin can fly about 40 miles an hour, and will beat its wings about 300 to 400 times a minute. > Puffins are reliable... > 3. Puffins usually return to the same burrow and nest with the same mate year after year. > Puffins are powerful... > 4. Where soil conditions permit, puffins can tunnel eight feet or more > underground when excavating a burrow. > Puffins are successful... > 5. It is estimated that there are about 6 million pairs of puffins in the world. > Puffins are popular... > 6. In Iceland puffins are part of a long-standing cultural connection to the > sea. They are eaten in restaurants and homes. > Puffins participate fully in the oceanic economy... > 7. The puffin's number-one enemy is the Great Black-backed Gull, which kills > and eats adult puffins and chicks when it can catch them. > > (puffin facts are courtesy of the Audubon Society Project Puffin > http://puffin.bird.audubon.org/, used by permission) > > Linux has a penguin, we should have a puffin. I'd be glad to register it as > a trademark in the U.S. and assign the rights to the project. What do you > think? > > Regards, > Ken Crater > ken@control.com A rose by any other name.................... Hi Ken and all Since we are being a little commercial and materialistic, I think we should keep Linux in the name. Linux is hot and we absolutely want to differentiate from the other PC control schemes. How about a traditionally (in the UNIX crowd) clever acronym like P.L.C. The Puffin Linux Controller system. Regards Curt W _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 13, 2000 7:15 am, by Mark Hutton
  As long as it doesn't end up being a !@%!in' PLC! :-) -----Original Message----- From: linuxplc-admin@linuxplc.org On Behalf Of Jiri Baum To: linuxplc@linuxplc.org Subject: Re: LinuxPLC: A proposed mascot On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 10:32:52AM -0500, Peterc wrote: > I doubt that "Project Puffin" would mean much to people outside the > project. At least "LinuxPLC" tells what it's all about. Why make things > more difficult? Let's not get too "inside baseball" here. We could always call it PuffinPLC (as somebody already joined it) to get the best of both worlds. That's assuming we *want* the PLC association. I believe there are those as might prefer "Puffin Controller"; or something with a cool acronym. Jiri -- Jiri Baum On the Internet, nobody knows if you are a @{[@{[open(0),<0>]}-1]}-line perl script... _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 13, 2000 7:15 am, by Mark Hutton
  Try www.thepuffingroup.org or www.puffingroup.org a puffin organ already working on Linux projects. There is the possibility of confusion with any name that is chosen (I like OSICs, Open Source Industrial Control solutions). -----Original Message----- From: linuxplc-admin@linuxplc.org On Behalf Of Ken Crater To: linuxplc@linuxplc.org Subject: RE: LinuxPLC: A proposed mascot Although I hesitate to burden the list with further discussion about nontechnical issues, I think that, to be ultimately successful, a few business and market issues do need to be addressed up front. Please forgive... Pete Cleaveland asks: >At least "LinuxPLC" tells what it's all about. >Why make things more difficult? As someone who's run a company with a generic-sounding name ("Control Technology Corporation") for the past 24 years, I can tell you the advantages of having a unique (nondescriptive) name. There are perhaps a half-dozen other "Control Technology"s, and for about 23 of those years I've wished we had chosen a name like Zippy-doo Controls that no one else could use (or would want to? ). Over the years, I've heard rumors that we're about to be acquired (news to me :-), have already been acquired (*real* news to me), have gone out of business (ditto), etc., and have also received a number of support calls for product model numbers that are not in our catalog and never have been, all due to confusion with other companies. It is pretty likely that, ultimately, there will be a number of "Linux PLCs" on the commercial market. Some of these will likely be unstable, expensive, slow, discontinued or otherwise subject to negative opinion and rumors, and we don't want our project to be tainted by these. If we choose a unique name, I don't think it will cause too much of a problem in the market once the project becomes known. It certainly didn't hold back Apache (the most commonly-used webserver in the world) or any number of other open source projects with nondescriptive names. In fact, such names often lend character (dare I say "inspiration"?) to an effort. I don't have any real stake in "Puffin Project" (apart from a minor investment in the domain name), but I do think we should attach a unique name to the project. Ken Crater, President Zippy-doo Controls (er, oops, Control Technology Corp.) ken@control.com _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 13, 2000 7:15 am, by Mark Hutton
  Yeah, but don't forget one mans cool acronym is another mans joke (1131 does POU's (just say it!) - Program Organisation Units). [The French think the Euro is a cool sounding name, to the British it invokes a picture of the money you used to get with your toy cash register (looks like it too).] ;-)) -----Original Message----- From: linuxplc-admin@linuxplc.org Behalf Of Jiri Baum To: linuxplc@linuxplc.org Subject: Re: LinuxPLC: A proposed mascot On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 10:32:52AM -0500, Peterc wrote: > I doubt that "Project Puffin" would mean much to people outside the > project. At least "LinuxPLC" tells what it's all about. Why make things > more difficult? Let's not get too "inside baseball" here. We could always call it PuffinPLC (as somebody already joined it) to get the best of both worlds. That's assuming we *want* the PLC association. I believe there are those as might prefer "Puffin Controller"; or something with a cool acronym. Jiri -- Jiri Baum On the Internet, nobody knows if you are a @{[@{[open(0),<0>]}-1]}-line perl script... _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 13, 2000 2:20 am, by Jiri Baum
  On Wed, Jan 12, 2000 at 10:32:52AM -0500, Peterc wrote: > I doubt that "Project Puffin" would mean much to people outside the > project. At least "LinuxPLC" tells what it's all about. Why make things > more difficult? Let's not get too "inside baseball" here. We could always call it PuffinPLC (as somebody already joined it) to get the best of both worlds. That's assuming we *want* the PLC association. I believe there are those as might prefer "Puffin Controller"; or something with a cool acronym. Jiri -- Jiri Baum On the Internet, nobody knows if you are a @{[@{[open(0),<0>]}-1]}-line perl script... _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 12, 2000 11:13 am, by Peterc
  I bow to your wisdom. Pete -----Original Message----- From: Ken Crater >...and anyway, frequent mention in influential publications like I&CS will >firmly establish whatever name we choose , right , Pete? _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 12, 2000 11:09 am, by Ken Crater
  ...and anyway, frequent mention in influential publications like I&CS will firmly establish whatever name we choose , right , Pete? _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 12, 2000 11:06 am, by Ken Crater
  Although I hesitate to burden the list with further discussion aboutnontechnical issues, I think that, to be ultimately successful, a few business and market issues do need to be addressed up front. Please forgive... Pete Cleaveland asks: >At least "LinuxPLC" tells what it's all about. >Why make things more difficult? As someone who's run a company with a generic-sounding name ("Control Technology Corporation") for the past 24 years, I can tell you the advantages of having a unique (nondescriptive) name. There are perhaps a half-dozen other "Control Technology"s, and for about 23 of those years I've wished we had chosen a name like Zippy-doo Controls that no one else could use (or would want to? ). Over the years, I've heard rumors that we're about to be acquired (news to me :-), have already been acquired (*real* news to me), have gone out of business (ditto), etc., and have also received a number of support calls for product model numbers that are not in our catalog and never have been, all due to confusion with other companies. It is pretty likely that, ultimately, there will be a number of "Linux PLCs" on the commercial market. Some of these will likely be unstable, expensive, slow, discontinued or otherwise subject to negative opinion and rumors, and we don't want our project to be tainted by these. If we choose a unique name, I don't think it will cause too much of a problem in the market once the project becomes known. It certainly didn't hold back Apache (the most commonly-used webserver in the world) or any number of other open source projects with nondescriptive names. In fact, such names often lend character (dare I say "inspiration"?) to an effort. I don't have any real stake in "Puffin Project" (apart from a minor investment in the domain name), but I do think we should attach a unique name to the project. Ken Crater, President Zippy-doo Controls (er, oops, Control Technology Corp.) ken@control.com _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 12, 2000 10:33 am, by Peterc
  I doubt that "Project Puffin" would mean much to people outside the project. At least "LinuxPLC" tells what it's all about. Why make things more difficult? Let's not get too "inside baseball" here. Pete Cleaveland I&CS -----Original Message----- From: Ken Crater To: 'linuxplc@linuxplc.org' Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 10:18 AM Subject: RE: LinuxPLC: A proposed mascot >Rob Martin asked... >>As a side note, I'm not sure if LinuxPLC can >>be trademarked, but if so, can we ask Ken to >>do so and assign the rights to the project as well? > >I doubt that it can -- "descriptive" marks are not typically allowed >registration. However, the puffin image is not "descriptive" of a PLC, and >therefore would be a good candidate. I suggested it because it could be >used as a unique means of identification, protected for use only by those >using the open source product. > >If we wanted to call this the Puffin Project (not to be confused with >Audubon's Project Puffin :-) we could use a (tm) by it and obtain common law >trademark protection that would probably stick. (BTW, I registered >PuffinPLC.org just in case ). > >Ken Crater >ken@control.com > > >_______________________________________________ >LinuxPLC mailing list >LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org >http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 12, 2000 10:23 am, by Ken Crater
  Rob Martin asked... >As a side note, I'm not sure if LinuxPLC can >be trademarked, but if so, can we ask Ken to >do so and assign the rights to the project as well? I doubt that it can -- "descriptive" marks are not typically allowed registration. However, the puffin image is not "descriptive" of a PLC, and therefore would be a good candidate. I suggested it because it could be used as a unique means of identification, protected for use only by those using the open source product. If we wanted to call this the Puffin Project (not to be confused with Audubon's Project Puffin :-) we could use a (tm) by it and obtain common law trademark protection that would probably stick. (BTW, I registered PuffinPLC.org just in case ). Ken Crater ken@control.com _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 11, 2000 5:46 pm, by Ken Irving
  On Tue, Jan 11, 2000 at 03:52:42PM -0500, Ken Crater wrote: ... > Puffins are fast... > 2. A puffin can fly about 40 miles an hour, and will beat its wings about > 300 to 400 times a minute. ... and they look really cool flying under water (maybe they don't do 40 mph under water, but they're fast and agile). -- Ken Irving Trident Software jkirving@mosquitonet.com _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 11, 2000 5:44 pm, by Bill Ripley
  The Puffin looks great! _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 11, 2000 5:40 pm, by Ken Crater
  Curt mentions... >Sounds great to me too, Unfortunately there might be a >problem with the Puffin Group Ltd, that is doing the Linux >Port to HP hardware or Itanium, I forget which. We missed that one (and we did an initial search)! However, there may not be a conflict, since Puffin Group has just been acquired by LinuxCare and is seemingly being absorbed (http://www.thepuffingroup.com/newsworthy/pressreleases/1999121401.html). We'll contact them and see if they perceive a conflict. Ken Crater ken@control.com _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 11, 2000 5:10 pm, by Curt Wuollet
  Hi all Sounds great to me too, Unfortunately there might be a problem with the Puffin Group Ltd, that is doing the Linux Port to HP hardware or Itanium, I forget which. They're Open Source folks so it might not be a problem, but, I suppose we should ask. Regards Curt W. _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 11, 2000 5:07 pm, by Blunier, Mark
  The image is fine, however, I suugest that you change the format of the image (gif) to something that is free. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html Mark Blunier
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 11, 2000 4:54 pm, by Rob Martin
  I vote yes too! Thanks, Jennifer. As a side note, I'm not sure if LinuxPLC can be trademarked, but if so, can we ask Ken to do so and assign the rights to the project as well? Rob Martin robm@linuxfreak.com
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 11, 2000 4:30 pm, by Bob Old
  Good job, Jennifer! I also vote yes. But perhaps we could deprecate item 6: "They are eaten in restaurants and homes." Best, B.O. Jan. 11, 2000 -- Bob Old Lindenhurst, IL USA _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• A proposed mascot
  Jan 11, 2000 4:24 pm, by Stan Brown
  I vote yes! -- Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 843-745-3154 Westvaco Charleston SC. _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• Re: A proposed mascot
  Jan 11, 2000 4:18 pm, by Phil Covington
  Great idea! I vote yes! Phil Covington vHMI _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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• Re: A proposed mascot
  Jan 11, 2000 4:17 pm, by Ranjan Acharya
  Puffin ... great ... I was wondering what it was doing on the web site yesterday. RJ Ranjan Acharya 905-634-0844 x 238 (V) Team Leader - Systems Group 905-634-9548 (F) Grantek Control Systems http://www.grantek.com/ Ranjan.Acharya@grantek.com Ranjan.Acharya@ieee.org _______________________________________________ LinuxPLC mailing list LinuxPLC@linuxplc.org http://linuxplc.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxplc
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