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Re: New forum topic - Open Control
Feb 6, 2002 4:11 pm, by Ken Crater
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Ken Crater:
> - adherence to published, freely-usable
> standards at key interfaces(bus, protocol,
> physical form factor, signal levels, etc.).

Ralph Mackiewicz:
If the standard costs $100 to purchase from
a standards organization does this preclude
its use in your definition? Or does "freely-
usable" mean no restrictions on use such as
royalties?

Ken Crater:
The latter. In open-source parlance, this is "free" as in free speech, not free as in "free beer". In other words, a standards org can charge
for the paper the standard is printed on, but the intellectual property content of the standard must be open for free use if it is to meaningfully be called an "open" standard.

Ken:
> - unbundled support available at a variety
> of levels from a selection of providers.

Ralph:
I am curious as to what "unbundled support"
means. I have a preconception that it means
that if you buy some software that you must
also purchase support. Or would the situation
where support is simply optional meet this
criteria?

Ken:
If there is no requirement to pay for support in order to obtain the hardware/software, and the hardware/software is not "opaque", then the
option becomes available to obtain third-party support at the best price/competence levels for your company.

Ken:
> The whole point of open control is to reduce
> cost and risk, and increase flexibility to
> respond to change.

Ralph:
[...] There are many elements of cost including
purchase price, installation, packaging, support,
maintenance, modification/flexibility,
productivity/throughput, etc. [...]

Ken:
True, and it is in the consideration of the full range of these cost elements that open technologies become the most attractive. Openness has its true value in the expansion of options, which can benefit the user throughout the lifecycle of a system. As Ralph points out, the near-term issue revolves around the support infrastructure, which has grown in the computer industry and which we are helping to grow in the controls industry (including on this forum <grin>).

Ken Crater
Control.com Inc.
ken@control.com
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  • Re: New forum topic - Open Control
    Feb 8, 2002 5:18 pm, by Hullsiek, William
    Suggested improvement to definition of Open Control

    One attribute of an Open Standard is the availability of source-code examples, i.e., done under Gnu or University type of sponsorship, hence the popularity and low cost of TCP/IP.

    Many vendors offer the IP protocol suite at a nominal charge, because they can take "Open Source" and port to their hardware at a minimal effort. Which is why *nix systems and IP work so well in a commercial environments.

    FieldBus and MAP would have been done deals by now, if they had sponsored a University or other organization to develop the software /firmware "prototypes" and place them in the public domain.

    - bill hullsiek

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  • Re: New forum topic - Open Control
    Feb 8, 2002 5:19 pm, by Curt Wuollet
    Wiser words were never spoken.

    It really helps to make something ubiquitous if you act like you _want_ people to use it. The attitude and impression I get from the fieldbus consortia involves buying memberships, equipment and licenses or they'll sue me for using it. Completely kills _my_ enthusiasm. I would think they would like for us to popularize their systems with MAT/LPLC. It might be a pretty good investment.

    Regards

    cww

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  • Re: New forum topic - Open Control
    Feb 7, 2002 4:52 pm, by Jeremy Pollard
    Hey Ken - theres always free beer in Canada - just have to pay the tax:)

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